in "Chicago Hist. Soc. Coll.," IV., 145, 159, 167, 169-70, 178-9,
209; Reynolds, "Pioneer Hist, of Ill.," 110, 116-8, 180, 215; John
Edgar to Clark, from Kaskaskia, Nov. 7, 1785, in "Draper's Notes,
Trip 1860," VI., 214-5; Edgar to Clark, from Kaskaskia, Oct. 23,
1786, "Draper Coll., Clark MSS.," LIII., 56; Petition from
Kaskaskia, Sept. 14, 1789, "Draper Coll., Harmar Papers," II.,
124-7; Offer of John Edgar, from Kaskaskia, Oct. 3, 1789, "Draper
Coll., Harmar Papers," II., 127-8; Hamtramck's reply to the
Kaskaskia petition of Sept. 14, 1789, from Vincennes, Oct. 14, 1789,
"Draper Coll., Harmar Papers," II., 128-30; Edgar to Hamtramck, from
Kaskaskia, Oct. 28, 1789, ibid., II., 132-6; "DraperColl., Kenton
MSS.," Edgar Papers.

548 Reynolds, "Pioneer Hist. of Ill.," 170-2; W. A. Burt Jones, in
"Chicago Hist. Soc. Coll.," IV., 230-70; Jones to Hamtramck, from
Kaskaskia, Oct. 29, 1789, "Draper Coll., Harmar Papers," II.,
136-41.

549 "Methodist Magazine," XI., 1828, 154-8. The remarks of Hinde recall
the difficulty which was experienced by the men who governed the
Northwest Territory under the Ordinance of 1787 when they attempted
to use only such laws as had been adopted by some state. The attempt
was early and finally abandoned. Hinde gives the following in a
foot-note: "A gentleman, a Virginian, a physician of eminence who
was educated in Paris, visited a western state many years ago
[written in 1827], and lost all his money by gambling, (playing at
cards). Meeting a friend on the mountains on his return, he was thus
addressed: 'Well, doctor, you have been to see the new country.'
'Yes,' replied the doctor, biting his lips, 'it is a new country, it
is true; but there are some of the oldest people in it that I ever
saw.' "--See above reference, p. 155.

On Mt. Carmel and its founders, in general, see: "Articles of
Association for the City of Mount Carmel"; Bangs, "Hist. of the M.
E. Church," IV., appendix, 3, 25; III., 230, 308-14; "Minutes of
Conferences" Annual, M. E., I., 347, 474, 516; "American Pioneer,"
I., 327; II., 363-8; "Laws of Ill., 1824-25," 72-5; Simpson,
"Cyclopedia of Methodism," 97-S; "Methodist Magazine," VIII., 17,
49, 86. Less reliable data is given in "Hist. of Edwards, Lawrence,
and Wabash