ochrane, and shows a connexion between the different parties,
consistent with that statement.

_Lord Ellenborough._ It shows that he was acquainted with Sir Alexander
Cochrane, and that he recommended him to the appointment; we are not
trying the propriety or impropriety of the orders of Government?

_Mr. Brougham._. No, my lord; but Lord Cochrane's statement refers to
the difficulty itself.

_Lord Ellenborough._ But what the difficulties were is not at all
material; it would be going into that with which we have nothing to do?

_Mr. Gurney._ I do not object to it.

_Mr. Brougham._ I will not enter into it, my lord. In consequence of
those difficulties which were felt, the appointment did not take place?

_A._ It did not.

_Q._ But the appointment, in consequence of this application, came under
the consideration of the Commander in Chief's office?

_A._ Certainly.

_Q._ Were those difficulties, without asking what they were,
particularly personal to Captain De Berenger?

_Lord Ellenborough._ No; that we cannot ask.

_Mr. Park._ It goes to character?

_Lord Ellenborough._ Then put the question to character at once; you
must not go indirectly into it, if Colonel Torrens knows his character
at all.

_Mr. Park._ You do not know, personally, his character?

_A._ I do not, personally.

_Q._ Are you acquainted with the hand-writing of Mr. De Berenger?

_A._ Not in the least.

_Q._ You have never seen him write?

_A._ I never did.

_Q._ Have you received letters, purporting to be from him upon subjects
of business, and have you answered and acted upon those letters?

_A._ I do not recollect, since I have been military secretary ever to
have received any.

_Q._ He had been, I believe, in the rifle corps of the Saint James's.

_A._ I believe he had.

_Lord Ellenborough._ Do you know him, personally?

_A._ I know nothing of him, personally.

_Henry Goulburn, Esq. M. P. sworn._

_Examined by Mr. Serjeant Best._

_Q._ You are under secretary of state for the colonial department?

_A._ I am.

_Q._ Can you tell us, whether any and what application was made to your
department for Mr. De Berenger going abroad with Lord Cochrane?

_Lord Ellenborough._ The terms of the application I think we cannot
hear; I do not think Government secrets (when I say secrets, I mean the
detail of them) ought to be stated; we cannot go further than the fact,
that an application was made.

_Mr. Serjeant Be