e procured, Sir
Alexander Cochrane mentioned, that as an engineer officer, he would be
quite satisfied with Mr. De Berenger.

_Q._ Does your lordship recollect, whether any particular rank was
necessary or usual to accompany such an appointment, or whether it was
solicited by Sir Alexander Cochrane?

_A._ I think there was, but I am not positive; I recollect perfectly
explaining to Sir Alexander Cochrane, that as far as related to His
Majesty's naval service, I could not agree to the appointment; and I
recommended to Sir Alexander Cochrane to apply to the Secretary of
State, or the Commander in Chief, stating, that if they agreed to it, I
should have no objection to Baron De Berenger's accompanying Sir
Alexander Cochrane.

_Q._ Was Lord Cochrane appointed to a vessel to join Sir Alexander
Cochrane afterwards?

_A._ He was.

_Q._ The Tonnant?

_A._ Yes; I think he was appointed before Sir Alexander Cochrane sailed;
but of that I am not positive.

_Q._ Before Sir Alexander sailed to join him upon that station?

_A._ Yes; I am not quite positive about that, but it was very nearly
about that time.

_Mr. Park._ I had my Lord Melville as a witness in my brief, not knowing
that my friend would call him; I should have called his lordship to
these facts, if my friend had not.

_Lord Ellenborough._ Your lordship has no personal knowledge of Mr. De
Berenger?

_A._ No.

_Colonel Torrens sworn._

_Examined by Mr. Brougham._

_Q._ You are secretary to the Commander in Chief?

_A._ I am.

_Q._ Do you remember any application being made in the department with
which you are connected, in behalf of Captain De Berenger?

_A._ I do.

_Q._ About what time was that?

_A._ It was in the latter end of December, or the beginning of January.

_Q._ Do you recollect by whom the application was made?

_A._ Sir Alexander Cochrane.

_Q._ What was the purport of it?

_A._ Sir Alexander came to me twice, I think, if not three times, to
urge the appointment of Mr. De Berenger to go to America, for the
purpose of applying his talents as a light infantry officer, to the
service on which Sir Alexander Cochrane was about to embark.

_Q._ Were any difficulties started to this application?

_A._ Great difficulties.

_Q._ What objection was made to it?

_A._ I represented----

_Lord Ellenborough._ I do not know to what point this applies?

_Mr. Brougham._ Merely that it confirms the statement made by Lord
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