and before the tribunal, the officials, and the great
crowd which was present, that I am surprised how those of the other
side dared to utter a word. They returned to the conflict on the
following Thursday; and other religious besides the two above mentioned
and the secular, were summoned. Those who came newly were father Fray
Antonio Gonsalez, vicar-provincial of St. Dominic; Fray Diego Collado,
of the same order; and father Fray Pedro de Herrera, of St. Augustine:
on entering the Audiencia, they presented their authority without
being requested to do so--fearing to encounter any such jest as had
happened to the others the day previous, for lack of authority. The
father reader Fray Diego de Ochoa spoke first in this Audiencia, in
a loud voice and with many exclamations, and casting opprobrium on
the person of the judge-conservator. Then the father definitor Fray
Pedro Barreto spoke. He read a short paper that he had written, saying
that he had not been able to commit it to memory. He was followed by
father Fray Antonio Gonsalez, who alleged a very trifling defect in
the bull. After him Fray Diego Collado spoke. He said that he was the
confessor of the president of Castilla when the bishop of Cordoba had
a similar suit with the orders in Espana. Father Fray Pedro de Herrera
gave his opinion last. All of them together consumed more than one and
one-half hours. The fathers of the Society answered, Father Diego de
Bobadilla first, and then Father Lorenso Goreto. Such was their reply
that, to all of us who were present, it seemed that they had proved
their case, and it is sure that they showed the act to be a manifest
injury: first, because they had been ordered not to preach outside of
their churches, under pain of excommunication and pecuniary fines;
second, because the archbishop, through his anger toward only one
of the Society, had forbidden all of them in his archbishopric to
preach. The controversy then hinged on [the question] whether the
prelate may prohibit some of the Society, for just causes (which he
said that he had, but did not express), from preaching in camps and
guardhouses. The friars said that he could, and their whole argument
consisted of what the Council [of Trent] says, according to what they
alleged--making fuerza out of those words, _contradicente episcopo_
[_i.e._, "the bishop opposing"], and giving as explanation that the
prelate may by his own authority oppose and forbid the regulars to
preach, e