es would have befallen both countries. But this was manifestly
untrue; and his Holiness said that he had answered, It was a pity, then,
that these causes had not been submitted at the time, as the reason for the
demand, which it was clear that they had not been: as the case stood, it
was impossible for him to proceed further. Upon which he added, "Se vidisse
Caesarem obstupefactum." "I write the words," continued Sir Gregory,
"exactly as the pope related them to me. Whether he really spoke in this
way, I cannot tell; of this, however, I am sure, that on the day of our
conversation he had taken the blessed sacrament. He assured me further,
that he had laboured to induce the emperor to permit him to satisfy your
Majesty. I recommended him that when next the emperor spoke with him upon
the subject, he should enter at greater length on the question of
_justice_, and that some other person should be present at the conference,
that there might be no room left for suspicion."[400]

The manner of Clement was so unlike what Cassalis had been in the habit
of witnessing in him, that he was unable, as we see, wholly to persuade
himself that the change was sincere: the letter, however, was despatched
to England, and was followed in a few days by Bonner, who brought
with him the result of the pope's good will in the form of definite
propositions--instructions of similar purport having been forwarded at the
same time to the papal nuncio in England. The pope, so Henry was informed,
was now really well disposed to do what was required; he had urged upon the
emperor the necessity of concessions, and the cause might be settled in one
of two ways, to either of which he was himself ready to consent. Catherine
had appealed against judgment being passed in England, as a place which was
not indifferent. Henry had refused to allow his cause to be heard anywhere
but in his own realm; pleading first his privilege as a sovereign prince;
and secondly, his exemption as an Englishman.[401] The pope, with
appearance of openness, now suggested that Henry should either "send a
mandate requiring the remission of his cause to an indifferent place, in
which case he would himself surrender his claim to have it tried in the
courts at Rome, and would appoint a legate and two auditors to hear the
trial elsewhere;" or else, a truce of three or four years being concluded
between England, France, and Spain, the pope would "with all celerity
indict a general council