time in the fall of 1815, I had
another conversation with the said Benjamin Cowles, Esq. on
the subject of the affidavits that had been published,
relative to the conversation said to have passed between
Isaiah Bunce and Thomas Palmer, and the members in Albany;
and that during that conversation he did not contradict the
statements published, but gave me to understand that the same
were true, and intimated that he had inconsiderately signed
the certificate published during the election.

"I further certify, that Mr. Cowles was the first person, who
informed me of the ill-treatment the members had received
from Mr. Young, and that it would be as well to send some
other person to the Legislature the ensuing year.--BARRY
FENTON. _Hadley, March 1816_."

"I, Jacob Thorn, of Galway, in the county of Saratoga; do
certify, that shortly after the affidavits of Messrs. Bunce,
Palmer, Allcott, Dunning and Edwards, were published,
relative to the conversation they had with Messrs. Ketcham,
Gardner and Cowles in Albany; I had a conversation with Mr.
Ketcham in Stillwater, relative to the affidavits published.
I told him if the affidavits were not true, he ought to
contradict them. He replied, that his _friends advised him to
say nothing about it_. I enquired of him the meaning of those
affidavits---and whether the facts therein stated were
true--to which the said Ketcham answered, that _they were
true_--but said he did not expect it would have been made
public.--JACOB THORN."

"I certify, that some time in the month of March 1815, I went
to Albany on business, and called at the house where the
members of this county resided; found Messrs. Gardner,
Ketcham and Cowles, and made my business known. Mr. Cowles
said he would call and see me at my lodgings. Accordingly he
did; told me it was not according to his wish, that what I
had to offer in the business could not be complied with. I
then asked where Mr. Young quartered? He said he would tell
me; on the way, Mr. Cowles said there had been _a coldness
between the Speaker of the House, and the members from this
County, since he became speaker and expected to be Secretary
of State_, and on that account _declined going_.--JONATHAN
KELLOGG. _Northumberland, April 8th 1816_."

"I hereby s